By BILL BARROW
White House chief of staff Susie Wiles offered an unusually candid look inside President Donald Trumpâs administration in a series of interviews published Tuesday by Vanity Fair magazine, delivering details and reservations that presidential aides usually save for memoirs.
From criticizing Attorney General Pam Bondi as having âwhiffedâ on the Jeffrey Epstein case to saying that no rational person could believe Elon Musk did a good job dismantling the United States Agency for International Development, Wiles revealed her own thoughts about her boss and the work of his aggressive administration. The assessments are even more notable because Wiles, before now, has maintained a low profile.
Wiles dismissed Vanity Fairâs work as a âhit piece,â and a number of Cabinet officials and other aides rushed to her defense. But Wiles notably has not denied any details or quotes.
Here are some takeaways from Wilesâ interview:
Wiles described Trump as an intense figure who thinks in broad strokes yet is often unconcerned about process and policy details.
She assessed Trump as having âan alcoholicâs personality,â even though the president does not drink. But the personality trait is something she recognizes from her father, the famous sports broadcaster Pat Summerall.
âHigh-functioning alcoholics or alcoholics in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink. And so Iâm a little bit of an expert in big personalities,â she said.
Said Wiles: âIâm not an enabler. ⌠I try to be thoughtful about what I even engage in. I guess time will tell whether Iâve been effective.â
Wiles affirmed Trumpâs ruthlessness and determination to achieve retribution against those he considers his political enemies, especially those who prosecuted him.
âWe have a loose agreement that the score settling will end before the first 90 days are over,â Wiles said early in Trumpâs second administration, telling Vanity Fair she did try to tamp down Trumpâs penchant for retribution.
But in August 2025, she shifted. âI donât think heâs on a retribution tour,â she said, arguing Trump has a different principle: ââI donât want what happened to me to happen to somebody else.ââ
Still, she said, âthere may be an element of that from time to timeâ and Trump âwill go for it ⌠when thereâs an opportunity.â
âWho would blame him?â she asked rhetorically. âNot me.â
Asked about the prosecution of New York Attorney General Letitia James for mortgage fraud, Wiles allowed, âWell, that might be the one retribution.â
In some of her most eye-popping commentary, Wiles said Attorney General Pam Bondi âwhiffedâ on handling the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking case, particularly trying to manage public expectations by suggesting the Justice Department had a client list waiting to be disclosed only for the administration to later say it doesnât exist.
Wiles also said Trump pushed false narratives that former President Bill Clinton frequented Epsteinâs infamous island. âThere is no evidenceâ those visits happened, according to Wiles, and there are no damning findings concerning Clinton at all.
âThe president was wrong about that,â Wiles said.
Wiles often sits to the side in the Oval Office, out of camera view. But sheâs paying attention.
Vice President JD Vance has been âa conspiracy theorist for a decade,â she said, and his MAGA conversion â he once compared Trump to Adolf Hitler â was âsort of political.â
Elon Musk overstepped on his Department of Government Efficiency efforts, she said. She called him âa complete solo actor ⌠an odd, odd duckâ and an âavowed ketamine user.â (Musk has acknowledged using the dissociative anesthetic.) She recalled having to explain to him that âyou canât just lock people out of their officesâ and said his gutting of USAID left her âinitially aghast.â
âBecause I think anybody that pays attention to government and has ever paid attention to USAID believed, as I did, that they do very good work,â she said, adding that âno rational person could think the USAID process was a good one. Nobody.â
She calls Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. âquirky Bobbyâ and White House budget chief Russell Vought âa right-wing absolute zealot.â
But in praising Kennedy, Wiles explained her embrace of the administrationâs hard-liners: âHe pushes the envelope â some would say too far. But I say in order to get back to the middle, you have to push it too far.â
Few events undermined Trumpâs standing quite like his April 2 announcement of âLiberation Dayâ tariffs, in which he announced import taxes ranging from 10% to 99% on most of the world. Trumpâs move sparked recession fears and a delay in imposing his wider tariff strategy, leading to a rollercoaster of negotiations and new tariff threats.
Wiles called the April rollout âso much thinking out loudâ and said there were internal disputes about it among Trumpâs aides. She said she told aides to âwork into what heâs already thinkingâ and asked Vance to tell Trump to ânot talk about tariffs todayâ until his team was âin complete unity.â
Trump proceeded on his own.
Wiles said she believed a middle ground on tariffs would be successful. But, she concluded, âItâs been more painful than I expected.â
When a federal judge chided the administration for deporting Maryland resident Kilmar Abrego Garcia, Trump publicly defended the approach despite the administration telling the court it was a mistake. Wiles did not mince words, telling Vanity Fair at the time, âWeâve got to look harder at our process for deportation.â
When the administration deported two mothers and their U.S. citizen children, including one who was a cancer patient, Wiles was even more plainspoken: âIt could be an overzealous Border Patrol agent, I donât know. I canât understand how you make that mistake, but somebody did.â
After nearly four years of fighting, Trump has made the case that Russian President Vladimir Putin can be persuaded to end the war in Ukraine if Kyiv agrees to cede Ukrainian land in the eastern Donbas region and if Western powers offer economic incentives that would bring Russia back into the economic world order.
âI actually think that President Putin wants to see it end,â Trump told reporters Monday.
But Wiles offered deep skepticism to Vanity Fair about Putin.
âThe experts think that if he could get the rest of Donetsk, then he would be happy,â Wiles said in August, referring to the oblast that is a key part of Donbas.
âDonald Trump thinks he wants the whole country,â Wiles told her interviewer.
Wiles said in November that Trump âwants to keep on blowing boats up until Maduro cries uncle.â
Trump has repeatedly said Maduroâs âdays are numberedâ as the U.S. intensifies deadly attacks on vessels in the Caribbean Sea and eastern Pacific. The administration alleges the targets are drug-smuggling cartels.
Still, Trump and administration officials have stopped short of saying they want to topple the Maduro regime. They insist the strikes, which have killed at least 95 people in 25 known incidents since September, are a strategy to stem the flow of fentanyl and other illegal drugs into the U.S.